解洪兴主任接受彭博《Zero: The Climate Race》播客专访
Hongxing (Tonny) XIE’s Exclusive Interview on Bloomberg’s Zero Podcast
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从左至右依次为:创蓝联盟主任解洪兴、彭博新闻记者Akshat Rathi
近日,创蓝联盟主任解洪兴受彭博《Zero: The Climate Race》播客邀请,与主持人Akshat Rathi开展对话。对话围绕中国大气污染治理经验、气候科技初创企业发展现状、投融资模式、技术创新与国际化展开。Bloomberg Green 是彭博旗下专注全球气候、能源转型领域的权威内容平台,其旗舰播客《Zero: The Climate Race》由资深气候记者 Akshat Rathi 主持,面向全球听众,聚焦净零转型的产业实践、资本逻辑与政策现实,在国际气候投资、清洁能源行业具备广泛影响力。以下是对话内容梗概:
Recently, Hongxing (Tonny) XIE, Chairman and Director of BCAA, was invited to Bloomberg’s podcast “Zero: The Climate Race” for an exclusive interview with host Akshat Rathi. The conversation revolved around China’s experience in air pollution control, development status of climate-tech startups, investment and financing models, technological innovation and international development. Bloomberg Green is an authoritative content platform under Bloomberg focusing on global climate and energy transition. Its flagship podcast Zero: The Climate Race, hosted by veteran climate journalist Akshat Rathi, targets global audiences and focuses on industrial practices, capital logic and policy realities of net-zero transition. It enjoys extensive influence across international climate investment and clean-energy industries. Below is a summary of the dialogue:
空气污染治理历程
Air Pollution Control Experience
主持人时隔八年到访中国,观察到国内城市空气质量显著改善。解洪兴主任回顾:创蓝联盟深度参与了中国空气质量改善的历程,借鉴国际经验在重污染天气应急管控、城市空气质量达标规划、区域空气质量管理、工业超低排放改造、清洁取暖、电动汽车推广等多维度开展了政策建议与影响。中国空气质量明显改善,从2013年至今,北京的PM2.5浓度下降近70%。
The host visited China after an eight-year interval and observed notable improvements in urban air quality nationwide. Hongxing (Tonny) XIE recalled that the BCAA has taken deep part in China’s air-quality improvement journey. Drawing on international experience, BCAA has delivered policy recommendations and driven policy impacts across multiple areas: emergency response for heavy-pollution episodes, city air quality attainment planning, regional air-quality management, industrial ultra-low-emissioncontrol, clean-energy heating and electric-vehicle promotion. China has achieved remarkable air-quality progress; Beijing’s PM2.5 concentration has dropped by nearly 70 % since 2013.
工作重心转向碳中和与气候创新
Shift of Work Focus to Carbon Neutrality and Climate Innovatione
空气治理取得成效后,创蓝联盟机构工作重心从污染治理转向气候变化应对。原“创蓝奖”升级为“创蓝碳中和先锋大赛”,聚焦可再生能源、储能、氢能、碳利用等赛道,已合作超400家早期气候科技硬科技企业(包括初创公司以及独角兽企业),挖掘可赋能中国乃至全球减排的气候科技创新项目。
Following fruitful progress in air pollution policy influence, the BCAA has shifted its focus from pollution control to climate-change mitigation. The original “BluetechAward” has been upgraded to the “Bluetech Carbon Neutrality Pioneers Award”. Focusing on 10 key tracks including renewable energy, energy storage, hydrogen energy and carbon utilization, the competition has partnered with over 400 early-stage hard-tech climateTech companies, including startups and unicorns, identifying innovative climateTech projects that can accelerate the paces of curbing climate change for China and the world.
中国气候科技企业特点与融资环境
Features and Financing Landscape of China’s ClimateTech Enterprises
融资结构和西方不同:近年来,国内种子、天使、A-B轮早期市场化资本不足,后期(C/D轮到IPO前)资金相对充沛。地方政府产业基金、央企产业基金正在更多的参与早期项目投资,海外美元早期基金影响力下降。
The financing structure differs from that in the West:In recent years,domestically market-oriented capital is scarce at the seed, angel, and Series A–B early-stage rounds, while funding remains relatively abundant in the later stage—from Series C/D through pre-IPO.Local government industrial funds and central-SOE industrial funds are increasing their investments in early-stage projects, and the clout of overseas US-dollar early-stage funds has declined.
企业成长路径差异:美国企业可在未盈利状态持续融资扩张;国内企业往往依靠现有业务盈利,再将利润投入拓展相关新业务,如比亚迪依托电池业务延伸至新能源汽车;企业也完成从逆向借鉴走向自主研发的转变。
Divergent corporate growth paths: U.S. companies can secure successive financing rounds for expansion even without profits. Chinese companies typically generate profits from existing businesses and reinvest those profits to expand into related new lines of business. For example, BYD expanded into new-energy vehicles building on its battery business. Domestic firms have also completed the transition from reverse-technology learning to independent research and development.
本土硬科技创新案例
Cases of Domestic Hard-Tech Innovation
中国绿色低碳专利数量全球占比最高,高水平科研论文产出可观,多项技术从国内实验室走向商业化:
China holds the world’s largest share of green and low-carbon patents and produces a substantial volume of high-level research papers. Multiple technologies have moved from domestic laboratories toward commercial deployment:
氢能:海德氢能(清华团队)方形碱性电解槽企业,获沙特阿美旗下基金投资,业务拓展中东、欧洲;
Hydrogen energy: HydroTech Hydrogen Energy Technology Co., Ltd., a square alkaline electrolyzer enterprise founded by Tsinghua University alumni, has secured investment from a fund under Saudi Aramco and expanded its operations across the Middle East and Europe.
CO₂资源化利用:普力材料依托浙大催化剂技术的企业,深耕碳利用赛道,以二氧化碳为原料生产二氧化碳多元醇,产品成本具备市场竞争力;
CO₂ utilization: Hefei POLY Advanced Materials Co., Ltd, built on catalyst technology from Zhejiang University, is a dedicated player in carbon utilization. It produces CO₂-based polyols using carbon dioxide as feedstock, with cost-competitive products.
长时储能:技术源自中科院的中储国能,实现百兆瓦级压缩空气储能项目并网,填补锂电池短时储能局限;
Long-duration energy storage: ZHONG-CHU-GUO-NENG (BEIJING) TECHNOLOGY CO.,LTD, whose core technology originates from the Chinese Academy of Sciences, has connected a hundred-megawatt-scale compressed-air energy-storage project to the power grid, addressing the short-duration limitations of lithium-battery energy storage.
生物材料:菌丝基人造皮革初创企业(美科乐),瞄准海外市场,寻求欧洲、新加坡合作机会(如奢侈品)。
Bio-based materials: Shaoxing Meikele Biotechnology Co., Ltd, a mycelium-based artificial-leather startup, targets overseas markets and pursues cooperation opportunities in Europe and Singapore (e.g. with luxury-goods brands).
在采访的最后,解洪兴主任表示,中国已经成为全球气候创新的中心,号召有更多的国际资本和产业方参与中国早期气候科技企业的投资,支持这些企业更好地进入全球产业链,支持全球应对气候变化。
In closing, Hongxing (Tonny) XIE commented that China has become a global center for climate innovation. He hoped and called for greater participation from more international capital and multinational industrial players in investing in early-stage climateTech companies in China, so as to help these enterprises to be more efficiently integrated into global industrial chains and support the global effort to address climate change.
Bloomberg Green 及 Zero: The Climate Race
About Bloomberg Green and Zero: The Climate Race
彭博(Bloomberg L.P.)1981 年创立于纽约,是全球顶级金融信息服务商与商业媒体集团,核心产品彭博终端为全球金融市场基础设施。旗下 Bloomberg Green 专注气候与能源转型报道,产出新闻、短视频、播客等内容,《Zero: The Climate Race》是其王牌气候访谈播客,深度探讨全球净零转型的产业、资本与政策议题。主持人Akshat Rathi(阿克沙特・拉蒂博士)是彭博新闻(Bloomberg News)资深气候记者,常驻伦敦。他拥有牛津大学有机化学博士学位、孟买化学技术学院化学工程学士,兼具扎实的理工科科研功底与深度商业报道能力。
Founded in New York in 1981, Bloomberg L.P. is a world-leading financial-information service provider and business-media group. Its flagship Bloomberg Terminal serves as infrastructure for global financial markets. Bloomberg Green, its subsidiary platform, focuses on climate- and energy-transition coverage and produces news, short-form videos, podcasts and other content. Zero: The Climate Race is its flagship climate-interview podcast, which conducts in-depth discussions on industry, capital and policy topics for global net-zero transition. Host Dr. Akshat Rathi is a senior climate journalist at Bloomberg News based in London. He holds a DPhil in Organic Chemistry from the University of Oxford and a bachelor’s degree in Chemical Engineering from the Institute of Chemical Technology, Mumbai. He combines solid science-and-engineering research expertise with strong capabilities for in-depth business reporting.
创蓝联盟
About Bluetech Clean Air Alliance
中关村创蓝清洁空气产业联盟(简称创蓝联盟)是一个面向国际化合作的专业智库平台,致力于通过加速创新绿色科技的应用、知识产权保护、创新投资、政策与行业研究等工作,推动绿色与低碳的技术和产业的发展,加速全球可持续发展。创蓝联盟发布了50余份绿色政策与市场研究报告,评估了来自22个国家的600余项创新绿色科技,并在12个省市开展了试点工作,建立了覆盖20余个国家的创蓝技术征集与加速网络。
联盟于2019年成为联合国世界知识产权组织(WIPO)的战略合作伙伴,在WIPO、北京市知识产权局、北京市发展和改革委员会等合作伙伴的支持下,启动了IP赋能绿色科技项目,开展了一系列针对绿色科技领域从业者的IP战略培训、企业IP培育试点。联盟围绕创蓝碳中和先锋大赛、中国绿色科技IP战略加速营、联合国WIPOGREEN城市加速项目、资本合作等模块建立了创蓝碳中和科技加速平台,并为数百个气候科技企业、专精特新企业、独角兽公司提供了加速支持。
Founded in January 2013, Bluetech Clean Air Alliance (BCAA) is a professional think tank platform focusing on international cooperation,dedicated to accelerating the application of innovative greentechnologies, IP protection, innovation investment, and policy andindustry research, so as to promote the development of green andlowcarbon technologies and industries and accelerate global sustainabledevelopment. BCAA has published over 50 green policy and marketresearch reports, assessed nearly 600 innovative green technologiesfrom more than 20 countries, carried out pilot projects in 12 provincesand cities in China, and established a technology solicitation andacceleration network covering over 20 countries.